Moorish Circle 7: The Rise of the Islamic Faith Among Blacks in America and it’s masonic origins
by Keith Moore
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there is a connection (2007-09-24)
The information presented in the book is design to give the reader an in dept understanding of moorish science origins as well as freemasonry’s connection to other black nationalist movements. it seems that the majority of these groups tend to neglect and even deny their connection to freemasonry simply because in their own beliefs their doctrines are made to believe that they are of an orginal origin. these groups have borrowed from other religions to create their own new age beliefs and in turn needed something to create structure within their new found faith. they used freemasonry as a tool for organizing their movements because their are quite a few members in the order and they needed a structure that would give them organization. once the movement was established they abandoned masonic teachings and renamed it something different.However what i found within these groups is the fact that they still have not abandoned freemasonry it is still present within their ranks and their religious doctrines,and that is fine because i believe without it the organization would not exist.For a number i have seen
many people talk against freemasonry because of its history in world dealings. however if one would have a better understanding of freemasonry’s true origins then and only then could these movements have a better appreciation of what freemasonry really is. first and foremost it was never called freemasonry. it is a system that has borrowed from other ancient systems mainly africa nile valley ,ancient ethiopia etc.
Great writers of black nationalism like martin delaney a prince hall mason have spoken highly of freemasonry delaney quoted the phrase
“But to deny to black men the privileges of Masonry, is to deny to a child the lineage of its own parentage. From whence sprung Masonry but from Ethiopia, Egypt, and Assyria, all settled and peopled by the children of Ham?
what i have found within these groups is they have found a connection to their heritage,a lost knowledge that in their own thinking has no connection with freemasonry and yet the masonic order is where they discovered that lost connection.
Both delaney and prince hall were some of earliest leaders to come up with a system to unify people of african decent i suggest reading his charge to freemasonry and delaney origins of freemasonry. this response is not an attack on anyone’s faith it is only to clarify that masonry
is universal and there is no denying the contributions that it has made to religion as well as black nationalism.
Tired of same old comments (2007-04-25)
This books is most definitely a wake call to those who did not have knowledge of some of the missing info about Afican descent. One thing that should be noted is that not all black people in the U.S today are
descendent of Africans. Some people are from whct is called America today, some people are a direct descendent of stollen people taken from other pacific islands, bahama islands. Black people were no slaves brought to this continent nor any continent. Black people were normal indivudals in their society with positions in life with professions and knowledge that had been taught through antiquity. Thery were not babrbaric nor human eating coons that they have been portrayed to be. The fact reamains black people in the world to day have a need. This need is to be reparated for this terrble atrocity which striped them of everythign vital to a human being existance and the knowledge of where they came from. So-called blacks should be reparted to the tune of $200,000,000,000 each for their continued troubles of living amoung peoples that continue to be little and deny them of the same rights that are given to the majority populace.connect the dots, not the space (2007-04-24)
I havn’t read this book … But, I would like to comment on a few reviews. For one, just because we can see the evidence of Africans through out the world in different era’s, does not mean that all practice the same beliefs or traditions. Noting: that the khametans were not muslims because the moabites may have been. Although both groups were the same in hue and probably shared some distant kinship in view of family clans… there is a big difference in the belief systems of the Khametan spiritual system and that of Islam. For one, the Khametan’s acknowledged the female principle as being equal to the male principle, as being the progenitor of the latter. In Islam, Allet which was the female opposite of Allah had been given a back seat doing the time of Mohammad, wether it was his decision or someone in his camp at a later time matters not, considering that the Mohammadans were patriarchs, as it was doing the time of the Mohammadans when Islam was said to be born. If Mohammad was the establisher of Islam doing the 7th century, then there was no Islamic religion predating his time. There is evidence to show that the Arabs had a spiritual practice, but there is no evidence of it being a (organized religion) before the arrival of Mohammad. If so, then were is the evidence?
It wasn’t until after Mohammad’s death that the Islamic religion was used as a weapon against Afrikans and others in the so-called Middle East. There is no evidence that I have seen, that suggestes are shows that the Moors were practicing Islam before the time of Mohammad. Although doing the time of Mohammad, it has been recorded that faithful followers who were merchants traveled and settled in Somalia and certain area’s of Ethiopia, influencing the people that they traded with to join the Islamic faith, wether this had a lot to do with trade relationships as the reason, I can’t confirm although this is a on going debate.
With that being said, Khamet was a colony of Ethiopia. So, for any settlers who were practitioners of the Khametan Spiritual system they would have taken this practice with them when they cross the red sea to occupy the land for further agricultural growth as well as to escape famine and war. There is evidence of the Sudanic-Ethiopian Empire encompassing Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Middle East(Asia Minor), India(Indus Valley), Europe( before caucasion take over), South China, South America, Central America, North America and a slew of different islands, as you can find pyramids or pyramid mounds in all of these regions.
The moral here rings true throughout. Who ever is the dominant male group will influence the weaker groups in language, customs, eating habits, artistic values, spiritualism, etc. This old scenerio has played out over and over again, all one need to do is read on the different conquest of different cultural societies… and investigate the available artiFACTS that proves this beyond any doubt!
To respond to the one viewers view of Abduallah meaning, (servant of Allah). This does not confirm the existence of Islam as a religion, this only confirms that before the introduction of the Holy Qua’ran by Mohammad and his followers, Arabs may have had a Spiritual practice that included their view of a Supreme Being whom they refered to as Allah, since the Arabs descended from the Abraham lineage and Abraham was from Ur doing the Chaldean rule. These people more than unlikely were probably followers of whatever the Chaldee’s worshiped as a belief albeit there being a difference in representation from clan to clan that would later result in a difference in opinion of what constituted spiritual correctness as rumored by many scholars about the reality of the Arabs before Mohammad.
There is a difference between Spiritualism and Religion. Spiritualism is non-political at it’s base, were as, religion is just another facet of politics being used as a organized congregation to control people, just as Arabs found it easier to conquer there foes once Islam was born, not everyone followed a brotherly love code but used religion as a front to passify and then administer brute force onced the victims were engulfed in the religious spell of servitude to a Supreme Being, interpreted by the oppressor, just as Africans have been with European Christianity and still are.
Also, let me add that the authors view of the Khametan Masonic Order is based on a distorted belief of the Greeks. The Khametan’s only had 3 degree’s that were centered around the relationship between human’s and the Creator as this was further identified through the usage of establishing trigonometry, as the idea was to keep one focused on things that would help them remember the Union and Oneness between Creator and creation in a complimentary manner, which was why the triangle was so important in that society, as it showed division coming from the one or the focal point of existence ( The Creator ), as the pyramid possessed quite a few meanings surrounding the principles of law and order (Maat).
Were as, the Greeks who evolved from a warrior class could not grasp such a reality, so created the separatist view of 33(3/3) degree’s that mirrored each other in a state of duality which was already a common belief amongst Asians doing that time and before, who were all mostly patriarch groups who were of warrior societies that developed from hunter gatherer groups who warred over hunting zones and land… The Macedonians evolved from a ancient group who originally were a splinter of larger groups that spreaded out from the now called, European Plateau and Caucasia, who settled amongst Ethiopian colonies that they learned from and later conquered.Not a member of M.S.T.of A = Limited understanding! i.e. ASK SOMEBODY WHO REALLY KNOWS!!! (2007-02-25)
Peace and Blessings:
Over a period of 30+ years, I have witnessed time and time again, various individuals who have offered their analysis and interpretation of Prophet Noble Drew Ali, the Moorish Science Temple, and Moorish Science. Invariably, each ot these individuals had/have one thing in common: NONE of them are card-carrying, STUDYING members of the MST of A! Of course, I cannot really know this to be fact, however, my evaluation is based upon the “tone and texture”, of pieces of writing such as this one.
They often speak of the “incomplete” conclusions of those who have no true idea of the “what” of Noble Drew Ali’s message, the “how” of his methodolgy
and the “why” it was only incumbent upon “His People” to believe and accept his message. In other words, “the sheep would know the Shepards voice”. No one else would be expected to “hear”, and therefore, RESPOND!
Even if the totality of Mr. Moore’s conclusions were true, (and they are not!), the seminal truth about the teachings of Prophet Noble Drew Ali, is that they were brought to the Moors/Moslems of America, for THEIR teaching and uplifting, and that NATIONALITY was and is, THE solution to our problems mentally, socially, economically, politically, etc. In light of this, Mr. Moore’s opinion, and that of others like him, should be regarded as nothing more than that.
The history of the ancient Moabites~Moors PRE-DATES ALL of the so-called history of the European nations, and also of the “Arabs”, Mr. Moore cannot truly base his claim that Africans/Moors did not practice Islam until the Arabs came along is truly without support, since, Mohammed’s father’s name was “Abduallah”,which means, “Servant of Allah”. If Allah, the God of Islam, was known BEFORE the birth of Mohammed, then, well, YOU do the math!
If I could talk to Mr. Moore, he would be alright then. Perhaps.
Sheik El
Philadelphia, Pennsylvaniatrash (2007-02-15)
i bought this book thinking it would give some valuable info on the prophet .this book is trash. this author is a joke. first off starting with his name keith moore 32mason..from that alone u know hes not part of msta just a on looker from sideline .he wouldhave bey or elif he was .2nd he doesnt proclaim his nationality but only gives u his degree n masonary.letting u know off hand whos side hes on..another thing this guy is kinda slick with his writings ,even though well educated hes a fool.he actually belives morrish science comes out of masonary. U WRONG…its other way around. (egyptians) and moors are same people .dont forget you are who your ancestors are.ancient moabites. not what SOME EUROPEANS CALL U (EGYPTIANS)…FOREFATHERS NAME YOU NOT THE LAND YOU LIVE IN.IF A SO CALLED BLACK MAN IS BORNN JAPAN.WHATS HE CALLED? JAPANESE …….BUT WHAT IS HE ? HES A MOABITE THAT LIVES N JAPAN…..PRAISE ALLAH AND HIS PROPHET NOBLE DREW ALI
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